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Joonas Kiviranta wrote that the pension contributions paid by the prematurely deceased remained in the pension system according to him, and the heirs received nothing from them. He described property protection as non-existent and the effective inheritance tax rate as 100%. #eläkejärjestelmä #perintö #talous (translated)

Samuli Katainen stated that he started working at the age of 15, but he had only started accumulating retirement benefits from the age of 23. According to him, after eight years of work and paid pension contributions, he had accumulated zero euros in his own pension. Katainen said that his working career would not continue until the proposed retirement age of 70. #eläke #työelämä #nuoret (translated)

Roni Arvonen wrote that Finnish decision-makers would prefer to raise the retirement age for working Finns rather than address the guaranteed pensions of immigrants. He argued that the decision-makers despise the Finnish taxpayer. #Eläkeiät #Veronmaksajat #Maahanmuutto (translated)

Alex Günsberg wrote that, according to him, an equivalent amount to Finland's average pension could be accumulated by investing 1,500 euros in the S&P 500 index for a child at birth if the retirement age were 70 years, or 2,100 euros if it were 65 years. He claimed that through the Ponzi scheme he described, 2.4 billion euros in investment costs and 438 million euros in implementation costs were transferred to interest groups of the state. Günsberg stated the TER for costs was about 1.15% and the TER for the S&P 500 index fund was 0.03%. According to him, savings would accumulate about 3 billion euros per year without changes to current pensions if the state's manipulation were stopped. #eläke #sijoittaminen #talous (translated)

Eero Ahtola wrote that he had lost his trust in the pension system a long time ago. According to him, the quintuple increase in pension contributions and the continuous extension of the retirement age were not right. He also claimed that the heavy pension system had led to a poor state of the rest of the economy. https://t.co/Nr3YLpJzyx #eläke #talous #luottamus (translated)

Roni Arvonen wrote that decision-makers would prefer to raise the retirement age of working Finns rather than cut development aid or Kela benefits for immigrants. He estimated that the patience of ordinary working Finns regarding such spending would run out at some point. #eläkkeet #kehitysapu #maahanmuutto (translated)

Tuomo Saarni pondered the significance of organizations and development aid, stating that he would rather raise the retirement age than give them up. According to him, salaries in the public sector's middle management and above were extremely high while the private sector struggled with profitability. He also wrote that solo entrepreneurs ceased their operations because they could not manage their YEL payments, and believed that the value map of society was misaligned. #kehitysapu #yrittäjyys #julkinensektori (translated)

Aarne Leinonen named the target for cuts in the evening as the adjustment of pensions, which he estimated to be 2.6 percent in 2027 with costs amounting to 1,066,000,000 euros. He wrote that current retirees should participate in balancing Finland's public finances. According to him, the pension system was not sustainable because 25 percent of the taxes from the work of young people were for the benefit of retirees. #RatkaisutRahapulaan #Eläkkeet #Suomi #Talous (translated)

The cap wondered why those advocating for raising the retirement age were often around 70 years old and working in office jobs, rather than those in physical labor. He asked if filsdeproust had any suggestions on how to take care of one's health to be able to do physical shift work at the age of 70. #eläke #terveys #työelämä (translated)

Mika Merano criticized the reported proposals to raise the retirement age to over 70 years and described the idea as extremely senseless. According to him, the proposals were based on the view that people would have an invisible debt to the state and that their role would be to produce tax revenue by working nearly until the end of their lives. Merano called for a reform of the pension system in the opposite direction. He argued that the state should provide only a small minimum safety net and shift more responsibility to the individuals themselves. He suggested a large-scale reduction in mandatory pension contributions so that people would have more money left from their salaries and could save for their retirement if they wanted. Merano justified his stance by emphasizing individual freedom and personal responsibility. He stated that the state should not dictate how long people should work or how they should use their money. #eläke #yksilönvapaudet #valtiopolitiikka (translated)

OsakeKeisari wrote that Jari Sarasvuo assessed that Finland needed more successful companies and entrepreneurs. According to Sarasvuo, there would be no need for discussion about the funding of social security if there were enough resources for it. He believed that 10 billion euros could be cut from the public finances, among other things, from administration. https://t.co/XLNdb83OTV #eläke #yrittäjyys #sosiaaliturva (translated)

But I can state from this position as my own opinion that 70 years is completely unrealistic, and it probably won't happen. It probably won't be acceptable to any parliamentary party in this hall. Prime Minister Petteri Orpo (Nat.) completely dismissed the proposal of a 70-year retirement age as unrealistic and emphasized that it was a proposal from the officials, not the government. #eläke #muistisairaudet #politiikka (translated)

It is thought that when people work for as long as possible, Finland somehow would cope better. A large portion, or quite a few, of 70-year-olds are already, for example, suffering from memory diseases, so that path cannot be sustainably walked, Holopainen said. Instead of raising the retirement age, Holopainen hoped for a discussion on improving productivity at work. #eläke #muistisairaudet #politiikka (translated)

Indeed, it is quite a shock for middle-aged people today and those younger than them. It is important to understand that not everyone has the health to work until the age of 70, not at all, and not everyone has the stamina for it. Some may manage, though. The leader of the Center Party, Antti Kaikkonen, stated that his party opposes a systematic increase of the retirement age to 70 years. #eläke #muistisairaudet #politiikka (translated)

Kari previously mentioned that he used to laugh at people who wanted to break away from society's hustle, but now he said he appreciates those who can do it. He justified his view by claiming that hardworking men were taxed into poverty, the price of diesel was 2.5 euros per liter, the retirement age was 97 years, and the social democrats were winning the elections. https://t.co/RZxCXpzt2e #yhteiskunta #politiikka #verotus (translated)

Jari Sarasvuo asked whether citizens should get their affairs in order before someone arrives as a savior with an axe. He warned that the ride would be cold if the Kela reimbursements for medications disappeared at the same time as pensions were cut. #Sosiaalipolitiikka #Terveys #Eläke (translated)

Laura Korpinen wondered why the retirement age was tied to a fixed age rather than the length of one's career. She suggested that one could retire after a certain number of working years and found it strange that those who started their careers at 18 and 28 had the same retirement age. #eläke #työura #ikä (translated)