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Claudia van Zanten wrote that the VVD, just like D66 earlier, was seeking conflict with Israel and provoking a war with Russia. She wondered whether the party would soon also come into conflict with the United States. Van Zanten reproached the VVD for not standing up for hard-working Dutch citizens, targeting small savers, not providing financial stability, and doing nothing about the influx of asylum seekers. According to her, voters, departing members, and prominent figures were fed up with the party's and the cabinet's direction. https://t.co/Ut9DHCrph1 #Nederland #politiek #oorlog (translated)

Forum for Democracy stated that the government was looking for new ways to collect taxes every year and that investors and savers were the next in line according to the party. The party advocated for the abolition of box 3, as it argued that taxes had already been paid on wealth, and called on readers to visit the linked website. https://t.co/VNKfQS0Exx! https://t.co/gkjEvijf2S #belasting #vermogen #FVD (translated)

Madelon Vos wrote that the plans for the new box 3 system, which were announced last week, had caused unrest among politicians, savers, entrepreneurs, and investors. Although the capital gains tax was presented as a victory, she argued that small savers and investors would be the victims. Additionally, people would temporarily have to pay taxes annually on paper gains from bitcoin and precious metals, even if they had not sold anything. Vos also pointed to rising global interest rates and a greater interest rate differential between France and Germany. She wondered what that indicated about investor confidence and how much room governments still had if inflation and scarcity of raw materials further pushed up interest rates. According to her, the higher interest rates would also affect the real estate market: Dutch houses could depreciate in real terms next year. In an episode of Madelon Praat, she discussed how taxes, interest, and inflation impacted people's wealth. https://t.co/hVinv3HF4l #belasting #rente #inflatie (translated)

Forum for Democracy called the cabinet's response incomprehensible. The party referred to the question of why savers could supposedly build up assets more difficultly via Box 3 and wrote that the cabinet had cited the accelerated introduction of a capital gains tax as evidence that people would be able to invest better as a result. https://t.co/2koLz1sAzM #Box3 #Vermogensbelasting #Financiën (translated)

Heinen calculates a 2% return for 'small savers and investors'. I want to show you how ridiculously low that is. The average return on stocks is 12%: - S&P 500 or AEX - Over 40 years - With reinvestment of dividends It is distributed like this: - 25% of the years have negative returns (average -15%) - 75% of the years have positive returns (average +20%) In the positive years, you already pay tax with a 20% return on an asset of 5,000 euros and a tax-free result of 1,000 euros. Now the tax-free asset limit is 59,357 euros. Soon, the equivalent for investors will be 5,000 euros. "Yes, but many people are savers." That's right. That's exactly what we want to move away from. If there is one thing that we can agree on in Europe and the Netherlands, it's that people need to invest more. By the way, I think we should completely abolish the tax-free result and translate it into a lower rate. It's a logical concept for vab, but it mainly causes disruptions for vwb. #beleggen #rendement #financiën (translated)

Minister Eelco Heinen of Finance is looking for alternative financing for the capital gains tax after the House of Representatives expressed unanimous criticism of his proposed tax increase for savers and smaller investors. #vermogenswinstbelasting #TweedeKamer #belastingplannen (translated)

The cabinet is making a plan. VVD and CDA withdraw the same day. Tomorrow a new plan will go to the Council of State, while the content and coverage are uncertain. And according to Minister Heinen, I am the one muddying the waters... What a chaos. Savers and investors still do not know where they stand. #box3 #box3 #kabinet #belasting #chaos (translated)

The cabinet wants to spare the small saver and investor with small changes. Then the threshold will most likely go up from 1000 euros to 1500 euros? But so far, there seems to be no change in sight for (small) crypto, bitcoin, and precious metal investors regarding the wealth accumulation tax. #spaarders #beleggen #cryptovaluta (translated)

Incredible @helenestafleu. Anyone who has the discipline to save, to deny themselves things, and to postpone purchases, has absolutely no moral obligation to share the reserve they have built up with those who have not shown that discipline. Come on, that's the reverse world! For the saver, this meant less often, or not at all, going on vacation, a cheaper car, not getting a new phone every year, not eating out regularly but just at home at the dining table, living more frugally, making second-hand purchases instead of new, etc. It is a choice with a price: you deny yourself things so that you have a buffer later, for when things go wrong, when unforeseen expenses arise, but also to be able to live more comfortably in old age. Those who are not willing to make that effort and pay that price have no right to someone else's savings. Do you realize that when you label the unwillingness to share built-up savings as 'petty,' you are actually mocking the discipline and self-control that savers have shown? Is this perhaps because you yourself have not been able to muster this discipline, Helene? People who save generally also handle their own setbacks, do not rely on social services when times are tough, and show that they are morally made of the right stuff. What you are doing here, trying to instill a sense of shame in savers, as if the saver is a miser and the non-saver is a victim, is truly dishonorable, petty, and small-minded. Ugh! #sparen #discipline #zelfbeheersing (translated)

Incredible @helenestafleu. Someone who has the discipline to save, to deny themselves things, and to postpone purchases absolutely does not have a moral obligation to share that accumulated reserve with those who have not exhibited that discipline. Come on, that's the opposite world! For the saver, this meant less frequent vacations, a cheaper car, not getting a new phone every year, not regularly dining out but just eating at the dining table at home, living more frugally, making second-hand purchases instead of new ones, etc. It's a choice with a price: you deny yourself things so that you have a buffer later, in case things go wrong, when unexpected costs arise, but also to be able to live more comfortably in your old age. Those who are not willing to make that effort and pay that price have no right to the accumulated savings of another. Do you realize that as soon as you label the unwillingness to share accumulated savings as 'small-minded,' you are actually mocking the discipline and self-control that savers have exhibited? Is it perhaps because you have not been able to muster this discipline yourself, Helene? People who save generally also cope with their own setbacks, do not rely on social services when things go wrong, and show moral character in that respect. What you are doing here, trying to instill a sense of shame in savers, as if the saver is a miser and the non-saver is a victim, is truly dishonorable, narrow-minded, and small-minded. Yuck! #sparen #disciplinedelevensstijl #financieelgezond (translated)

The Jetten cabinet must go back to the drawing board after revelations about the high costs of the capital gains tax, which primarily shifts the burden from small savers and investors to wealthier Dutch citizens, leading to significant political opposition. #Begroting #Belastingen #Financiën (translated)